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Phil, please can you sex my Angels?

Post  Ghipsi on Tue 28 Feb 2012, 20:24

OK, those that know Phil (wildreddeer) he is a master in the art of sexing Angels Very Happy
Something to do with lumps & bumps but I can't remember which lumps & bumps to look for?

Ok, could do some fish sexed......







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Post  baldyman on Tue 28 Feb 2012, 20:45

Male,Male, Female
But what do i Know???? lol
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Post  Ghipsi on Tue 28 Feb 2012, 21:48

Go on Dave, share your secrets Very Happy , for some reason I seem to have lost the skill, too busy being mesmerised by all the pretty colours, Laughing Laughing Laughing
Male,Male, Female
And I was thinking Male, Female, Male Shocked
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Re: Phil, please can you sex my Angels?

Post  Pterophyllum on Tue 28 Feb 2012, 23:29

Those are very difficult to call!

I love the height (not to mention the colours) on No. 2, and I've already commented on how nice number one is elsewhere, as to sex....

No 1 at first glance I thought male, now I'm not so sure, forced to pick I'd probably call female, but not with any great certainty.
No 2 male almost certainly
No 3 female, with a fair degree of confidence.

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Post  paulbradd on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 09:53

lol i would of said female, male, male silent
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Post  Grummie2 on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 11:10

Nice looking fish! I would go with female, male, female.......

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Re: Phil, please can you sex my Angels?

Post  wildreddeer on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 18:57

Hi guys,

No I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag. Threads like this are very good and can be helpful. So far one person has it right. I'll leave it to Lisa to let you all know the sexes. In the mean time feel free to ask.
Might even ask Lisa to add a section under breeding for you all and I'll see what my artistic skills (if any) come up with. Like I did before. But wont promise just yet.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 20:10

No I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag......So far one person has it right.

Since Graham and I both made the same call on all three, that's one cat on the loose!

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Post  wildreddeer on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 20:18

Yes Rob.

BUT

You gave 2 answers

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Post  Pterophyllum on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 21:54

Ok Phil,
so you're saying...
Male, Male Female Very Happy
In trying to sex my fish there are several clues I look for, one of the things I look at is the body between the ventral and anal fin. In my experience in females this area is usually longer, and flatter than is the case for males. That's why I went with female for #1.
I look forward to Lisa announcing the results once the fish declare themselves!

By the way, I'm still waiting for the marbles I posted on TBAA to reveal their sexes, once they do I'll post a thread to reveal the results.

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Post  Ghipsi on Wed 29 Feb 2012, 22:20

Any fish Phil has sexed for me have always been 100% true, even the ones he was looking through a bag at an auction to sex Very Happy

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Re: Phil, please can you sex my Angels?

Post  wildreddeer on Thu 01 Mar 2012, 13:41

ROB.
No
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Re: Phil, please can you sex my Angels?

Post  Ghipsi on Sat 31 Mar 2012, 21:34

OK, new Phil would be correct as usual Very Happy
The Angels have now decided to confirm their sexes Very Happy ........ as per an email Phil sent to me when this thread started the sexes are............Male, Female, Female Very Happy
The second Female has now paired up & redy to breed so I can progress to the next stage of my special breeding program Very Happy
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Post  Pterophyllum on Sat 31 Mar 2012, 21:39

Good news & congratulations, but other than Phil, I can't see who got it completely right!

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Post  endlessendlers on Sat 31 Mar 2012, 23:35

Ghipsi wrote:OK, new Phil would be correct as usual Very Happy
The Angels have now decided to confirm their sexes Very Happy ........ as per an email Phil sent to me when this thread started the sexes are............Male, Female, Female Very Happy
The second Female has now paired up & redy to breed so I can progress to the next stage of my special breeding program Very Happy
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Is the female from your red devil line?
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Post  Pterophyllum on Sat 31 Mar 2012, 23:50

Hope Phil's following this thread...

Your opinion on this one please...



... Everyone else, please feel free to chip in too.


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Post  Ghipsi on Sun 01 Apr 2012, 00:06

Is the female from your red devil line?
Very Happy Yes, she has layed once in the adult large holding tank Very Happy , and has paired off with a suitable male. I will rehouse them tomorrow & feed them up ready for the next few learner spawnings Rolling Eyes
Fingers crossed for good coverage, at least I know this line shows orange colouring very early.

Rob, as to sex Question , I would guess male but............ it could be female scratch
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Post  endlessendlers on Sun 01 Apr 2012, 22:11

My guess, for what it's worth, is a girl, and a pretty one at that! Smile
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Post  Pterophyllum on Mon 02 Apr 2012, 00:00

To my eyes the head shape says male, but the belly says female, and the behaviour seems more like a female. I have several of his/her brothers, and one I'm pretty certain is a female :-


which I've just paired with this guy...


As both of these are het. for pb, I'm hoping they will give me a few nice blue marbles, amongst others.


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Post  endlessendlers on Mon 02 Apr 2012, 06:23

Pterophyllum wrote:To my eyes the head shape says male, but the belly says female, and the behaviour seems more like a female. I have several of his/her brothers, and one I'm pretty certain is a female :-


which I've just paired with this guy...


As both of these are het. for pb, I'm hoping they will give me a few nice blue marbles, amongst others.


Yes Rob, when I first looked at head shape, I thought male. I then took a closer look at the belly, and my short-sighted eyes could just see the backward slanting, albeit not dropped, tube of a young female.
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Post  wildreddeer on Mon 02 Apr 2012, 20:29

Pterophyllum wrote:Hope Phil's following this thread...

Your opinion on this one please...




Good example you have hear Rob. But can you please supply a full side on picture please. Not Necessarily the bottom half but at least from the tip of the mouth the the base of the upper fin.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Mon 02 Apr 2012, 21:20

Hi Phil,
can you please supply a full side on picture please.
I didn't realise it was possible to get any more side on than the fish is in that photo! Smile
are any of these more useful?

FWIW, this fish went free swimming on 17/2/2011

These two photos, along with the previous one were taken on 31/3/12



This photo was taken 14/1/12


and this one 16/12/11


hopefully one of them gives you the angle you need

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Post  wildreddeer on Tue 03 Apr 2012, 20:33

Sorry Rob but it has to be a full picture like the one in your avatar.

It's the way I sex them.

Need to see from the tip of the mouth to the upper fin.

You'll understand why if I could find a way to explain it.

Next time I pass your area I'll call in the shop and show you.

Or if ever your up this way let me know beforehand.

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Post  Pterophyllum on Tue 03 Apr 2012, 21:29

Not to worry Phil, I still have the fish, and I still have my camera!
The fish in my avitar, is actually turned away from the camera slightly,

But the difference is the photo is taken from slightly above the fish looking down, rather than from the fish's belly height looking up. So I'll try that with this one!

Next time I pass your area I'll call in the shop and show you.

Or if ever your up this way let me know beforehand.
I'd really appreciate that, thanks; and likewise, do let me know beforehand if you're planning on dropping in as, with a shop that's open 7 days a week, I can't possibly be there all the time!


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Post  wildreddeer on Wed 04 Apr 2012, 14:17

Should not make too much difference Rob. The Angle in your avatar looks to me like a young male. Ummmmmmmmmm, not too sure about the wee ones with it. Smile

Of course I'll contact you before calling in. Won't surprise you like last time.

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