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Post  uk bulldog on Fri 27 Sep 2013, 11:26

I have to go along with Grummie on this one the choc blue marbles are stunning rob
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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 27 Sep 2013, 20:23

Glad you both like them, as usual, the variety I was aiming for, Paraiba marbles, are the ones that I find least impressive, whilst the fish I wasn't that bothered about, blue chocolate leopards, are the ones that really stand out for me!
One of the things that seems to be all the rage in the USA at the moment is "snakeskin". I have been fairly cynical about the photos of fish posted and claiming them to be "snakeskin" (although I can think of a couple of photos where the pattern is clear and the name fully deserved). I'm fairly certain that the one fish I posted a photo of and called "snakeskin" is S/Z - Sm/Sm - St/+ -pb/pb. I now realize how difficult the "snakeskin" pattern is to photograph, but I'm sure if you guys saw him in the flesh, you'd like it more than the chocolate blue marble (nice 'though the CBM is!)

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Post  Pterophyllum on Sun 29 Sep 2013, 22:26

Remember Heidi? He, yes He! is D/+ - S/S - V/+ - Sm/+ - +/pb and there's a 50% chance that he carries an albino gene. He was named Heidi because He went missing for several days, for the full story see page 2 of this thread.
The babies from the original pairing are coming on well, but there aren't that many of them, so I paired him up again, this time with a female streaked blue chocolate. Their babies have been free swimming for a few days now...

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Post  uk bulldog on Mon 30 Sep 2013, 08:38

wow i love both of those rob & you should have some stunning young from them.
Please remember me if you have any blue veils as i am still looking for 1 or 2 to join my stock.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Mon 30 Sep 2013, 09:34

Hi Paul,
There should be plenty of blue veils in this batch, providing they continue to thrive, and if they do I might well wish to move this pair on. Heidi, because I have several of his siblings I want to breed from, including the pair that throw albinos; and his mate, because she's from the pinoy batch, where again, I have several I want to breed from. So in both cases I need to take care that I don't rely too heavily on fish from one particular pairing if I'm to ensure that I achieve my aim of keeping  inbreeding is to a minimum. So since you asked first, you'll get first dibs!

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Post  uk bulldog on Mon 30 Sep 2013, 13:48

Thank you kindly rob as either the pair or some blue veils would compliment what i already have.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Wed 02 Oct 2013, 14:42

Couple of photos of the albinos from the sibling pair...

I'm pretty convinced this one is homozygous for pb, and quite possibly an albino pinoy...


whilst I'm not so sure about this one...


growth with both of these is slow, as it is with their siblings, something that can't be said for the manacapuru cross youngsters. These went free swimming 3 months ago today, and the largest measure over 8cm from top of the dorsal to the bottom of the anal fin.


By contrast the albinos and their siblings when free swimming just 2 weeks later and are about half that size!


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Post  Pterophyllum on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:39

For anyone interested in any of my Manacapuru cross silvers, I've just brought 15 in to the shop. At the moment they're out in the quarantine room, should be on sale by the end of the week, price will be £5.90 each.
I can't be sure how much red they'll show as adults, but IMO finnage & growth rate on these is quite outstanding.

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Post  spyderuk on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:07

Pterophyllum wrote:For anyone interested in any of my Manacapuru cross silvers, I've just brought 15 in to the shop. At the moment they're out in the quarantine room, should be on sale by the end of the week, price will be £5.90 each.
I can't be sure how much red they'll show as adults, but IMO finnage & growth rate on these is quite outstanding.
I would be down for some in a heartbeat if only I had a tank for them to go in. I'm sure once I have space I'll be hounding you for some of those or you may have even persuaded the Manacupuru's to breed. You can put me down for half a dozen of the resulting F1's for sure. Laughing 

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 13 Dec 2013, 00:01

A few photos of my latest pair Male is a smokey pinoy paraiba, mother is a blue ghost...




a couple of Manacapuru cross youngsters




A blue clown veil

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Post  Grummie2 on Thu 26 Dec 2013, 12:03

Beautiful fish as always Rob!! Won't be long before the mana x's will be of breeding age, can't wait for the outcomes of that!!!!!

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Post  Pterophyllum on Wed 01 Jan 2014, 23:45

Beautiful fish as always Rob!!
Thanks Graham.

Won't be long before the mana x's will be of breeding age, can't wait for the outcomes of that!!!!!
Me too....

In the meantime....

I've split the Manacapuru crosses into three different tanks (eggs & baskets & all that!), the largest are in with my wild Rio Nanays and are already as large as them. I recently received a sample of some "Tropical" colour enhancing food, so as an experiment I've been feeding one tank almost exclusively on that, as well as a few of the Mana. crosses, there are also so nice koi and a mixture of others I'm keeping as potential breeding stock, I'm not sure how much the food is helping the koi colouration as they were already well coloured when I started, but it's certainly doing their colour no harm, and it's definitely helping the Mana. crosses....




Whilst this is the koi with the best coverage (although not the most intense colouration)


In another tank those two albinos are coming along nicely...

I'm guessing that this one's a male


and this a female...


and finally, another shot of my blue clown veil...

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Post  Pterophyllum on Sat 29 Mar 2014, 00:30

Since I started breeding angels again, back in December 2007, I've worked with lots of different parent fish, and all, with one exception, have parent raised. These two are my latest pair, and are continuing in that tradition, they also represent a bit of a milestone as they are my 99th & 100th parents!





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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 00:25

Just wanted to share a couple of photos of the albinos from previous posts,

I was getting very concerned for the male, he went off his food and was starting to get very thin, I treated with both octozin & a wormer (not at the same time) and despite treatment, he still seemed very reluctant to feed, but I coaxed him back using baby brine shrimp, and he now feeds very enthusiastically and is putting on weight again, but he still loks a little "pinched"


His sister meanwhile has caught him up and looks like she may be pairing with one of my manacapuru crosses.  Very Happy 


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Post  bridgegirl99 on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 09:35

Glad he's responded Rob,I've not seen Adults eat BBS, or are they taking in some discreetly when I'm not looking??

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 12:46

Probably depends on the adults, but when they're off their food otherwise it does seem to trigger a feeding response.

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Post  Grummie2 on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 20:55

Love the albinos Rob!!
BTW, Octozin goes very well with wormer (flubendozole), I've used it with great effect on 'bloat' in malawis and rams. It doesn't cure the affected (usually) but it does seem to stop its spread.

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 23:46

Octozin goes very well with wormer (flubendozole), I've used it with great effect on 'bloat' in malawis and rams. It doesn't cure the affected (usually) but it does seem to stop its spread.
Useful to know Graham, since he didn't seem bloated I assumed I was dealing with worms & tried the wormer first, but as that didn't get him feeding I tried the octozin.

Incidently, came home from work yesterday to find two of the manacapuru crosses guarding eggs, decided not to worry about those eggs, but I've given the pair their own breeding tank.

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 16 May 2014, 15:53

Won't be long before the mana x's will be of breeding age

They are! I've two pairs that have given me babies, and a third pair who spawned in a community tank, these are the second pair, whose babies went free swimming this morning....




I'm expecting more variation amongst these but hopefully some that will have a lot of red. I'm also going to do a bit of a feeding experiment if I can organize sufficient tank space. but that will only start once I start feeding them flake.


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Post  bridgegirl99 on Fri 16 May 2014, 17:41

Fabulous looking fish Rob

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 16 May 2014, 22:44

Funny how it goes sometimes, :-
1 successful batch in September 2013
1 successful batch in October 2013
1 successful batch in November 2013
1 successful batch in December 2013
1 successful batch in January 2014
Nothing in February 2014
1 successful batch in March 2014
Nothing in April 2014
May 2014 & suddenly I've got two pairs of Manacapuru crosses with free swimmers, and two more seemingly exemplary pairs with wrigglers

The first of these pairs is one of my favourite platinum marbles

Who has an interesting iridescent patch on his side

Paired with a female ghost, het. for both pb & albino


The second pair are part of my nice koi project, the male has a highly iridescent back/crown
 

& whilst the female isn't particularly well coloured, she does have partial dorsal striations....  


In fact I only have one pair together who don't seem to be delivering the goods, and I suspect that might be because I've misidentified the "male" I'm beginning to think this one might be a female....



Time will tell!

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Post  Grummie2 on Fri 16 May 2014, 23:03

Very excited for you Rob!! All the potential from these matings must have you drooling...and wondering where you're going to put them all!!!

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Post  Pterophyllum on Fri 16 May 2014, 23:33

...and wondering where you're going to put them all!!!

Indeed, I can see a bottleneck on the horizon

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Post  wildreddeer on Sat 17 May 2014, 15:47

Pterophyllum wrote:
...and wondering where you're going to put them all!!!

Indeed, I can see a bottleneck on the horizon

I know that feeling well Rob. You could not have spoken a truer word. Idea Time to build an extension.< maybe >
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Post  Simon Marshall on Mon 19 May 2014, 12:36

Rob
   Those Redback crosses are absolutely stunning mate, you must be very proud indeed. If you have any spare you are looking to sell give me a shout

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