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Re: My Koi Project

Post  Ghipsi on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 07:38

Looking fantastic Rob Very Happy

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Post  baldyman on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 21:11

The colouring is VERY nice Rob. Flame looks stunning
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Post  Pterophyllum on Mon 24 Sep 2012, 22:45

Time for an update,
I've kept 12 koi and 2 gold marbles from the latest batch to grow on, in general those with the best colour seem to be the slowest growing, still they're only 5 months old so they're not doing too badly....







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Post  Ghipsi on Tue 25 Sep 2012, 08:07

Fantastic couverage Rob, and the amount of black marbeling looks stunning!!

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Post  uk bulldog on Tue 25 Sep 2012, 08:14

wow they are looking great Rob the coverage is very nice whats your secret for such deep colouring as i know you dont colour feed.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Tue 25 Sep 2012, 09:27

whats your secret for such deep colouring
No secret, in fact when I visited Lisa earlier in the year, she was showing me some of her koi youngsters which seemed to be very similar in colour to the ones I'm producing at the moment; her adult fish were very nice and one in particular was stunning!
Brine Shrimp contains lots of carotine, so although I don't colour feed, they do get a fair bit naturally in their diet.
Beyond that, there's been a fair amount of trial and error, but as detailed at the start of this thread, I try to keep the level of inbreeding to a minimum.
All the gold marble genes in my current koi project are derived from 5 fish (although I may add some from a different line I'm working on in a generation or two, depending on the results of some breeding experiments I'm doing),
Of the five fish, in terms of colour one was a fairly mediocre female koi (called marmalade) :-


I mated her to a smokey and also to a gold marble ghost with somewhat better finnage


Meanwhile I also had a couple of better coloured, but really grotty (in terms of size, body shape & fins) koi



I think this second pair were already quite inbred and they produced a lot of culls, and some very odd looking fish, but one was particularily special....



This male (Called Dusty) was mated to a female from each of the "Marmalade lines"
From here it gets complex!

Before I got the shipment of Ken Kennedy fish in, I was working to produce my own line of blues, these all derived from one platinum female who was mated to a gold angel, and also to another platinum. When I got Ken's fish to work with I bred various of his fish to various golds (het pb), platinums or smokeys (het pb) from my existing "blue" project.

All six of dusty's offspring were mated either to platinums from the platinum pair, or to descendants from one of the pairings with Ken Kennedy fish, one of those Ken Kennedy fish was a paraiba koi.

Since then I've carried out several pairings, but all of the latest pairings are designed to bring together different lines which have Dusty as an ancestor.

It seems to me that, in general, the better coloured koi seem to have poor size, body shape and fins, like the second of my original pairs, so the main focus of my latest pairing was to try to get some colour whilst improving fins & body, it seems to have worked!

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Re: My Koi Project

Post  uk bulldog on Tue 25 Sep 2012, 18:47

Hi Rob i would have to agree with what you said regards the better coloured Koi being smaller with poor body shape & finnage,as i have had lots of my koi with good body & finnage but very little in colour intenserty even though i had tried to put good sized fish with good finnage with smaller fish that had good colour but never seemed to get a good mix or even a fair percenage of fish that had good body finnage & colour,& to be honest even though i thought i had the start of the deep colour showing it was only at a young age but always appeared to washout as the fish aged & got very dishartening & i have now given up with the koi as no mater what fish i used i always seemed to get the same results,so i take my hat off to you for what you are acheiveing & your peristance.
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